Comments on: The return of sexism (though it never went away) http://miscellani.org/blog/2010/01/the-return-of-sexism-though-it-never-went-away/ ... the politics of miscellanea Tue, 13 Jul 2010 02:20:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Christina http://miscellani.org/blog/2010/01/the-return-of-sexism-though-it-never-went-away/comment-page-1/#comment-36 Christina Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:53:11 +0000 http://www.miscellani.org/blog/?p=1211#comment-36 I am clearly behind on my feminist news! This was a great post! I've been hearing a lot about Natasha Walter and her new book and I'm curious to learn more-- thanks providing all those links! I'll go exploring. I'm especially interested in learning about the differences/similarities between British and USA feminists. @ Victoria -" Since when is Objectification the same as Sexuality, or the so-called Sex Industry even truly synonymous with Sexual Expression?" Exactly! That's what I want to know. I've gotten into some intense debates recently regarding objectification and someone always, <em>always</em> conflates sexual expression with objectification. (Unfortunately, some of those people claim to be feminists). So, in the end, they end up excusing porn or any other objectifying behavior on the grounds of "choice" and by some biological determinism gibberish that it's a human impulse to objectify others. Since we all do it, it's not a big deal. I am clearly behind on my feminist news!

This was a great post! I’ve been hearing a lot about Natasha Walter and her new book and I’m curious to learn more– thanks providing all those links! I’ll go exploring. I’m especially interested in learning about the differences/similarities between British and USA feminists.

@ Victoria -” Since when is Objectification the same as Sexuality, or the so-called Sex Industry even truly synonymous with Sexual Expression?”

Exactly! That’s what I want to know. I’ve gotten into some intense debates recently regarding objectification and someone always, always conflates sexual expression with objectification. (Unfortunately, some of those people claim to be feminists). So, in the end, they end up excusing porn or any other objectifying behavior on the grounds of “choice” and by some biological determinism gibberish that it’s a human impulse to objectify others. Since we all do it, it’s not a big deal.

]]> By: Bettyjean Kling http://miscellani.org/blog/2010/01/the-return-of-sexism-though-it-never-went-away/comment-page-1/#comment-35 Bettyjean Kling Sat, 30 Jan 2010 04:42:01 +0000 http://www.miscellani.org/blog/?p=1211#comment-35 Thank you for mentioning my blog piece. You may find more answers to your questions by visiting my blog http://freemenow.wordpress.com and doing a search on Sexualizing America. I have 5 pieces up and by following along beginning at #1 - I believe you may get a better picture of both why this is happening or resurging. I hold that this has been sneaking up on us for 40 some odd years- when Women left their apron strings in the kitchen and entered the workplace and in order to stay there and get ahead they were forced to hike up the skirt and lower the neckline and in effect trade in that apron string for a G string or what they now call a thong! Is it any wonder that younger and younger girls who have been raised on a steady diet of this have come to accept it as the norm? Is it any wonder that males raised on it would come to think of all females as prey and eye candy to be sought for sexual purposes only? Consider those posing- all under 40- they have never known anything else! Normal - Females are sex objects - prey - males are predators and purveyors of sex! BINGO! Thank you for mentioning my blog piece. You may find more answers to your questions by visiting my blog http://freemenow.wordpress.com and doing a search on Sexualizing America. I have 5 pieces up and by following along beginning at #1 – I believe you may get a better picture of both why this is happening or resurging.

I hold that this has been sneaking up on us for 40 some odd years- when Women left their apron strings in the kitchen and entered the workplace and in order to stay there and get ahead they were forced to hike up the skirt and lower the neckline and in effect trade in that apron string for a G string or what they now call a thong!
Is it any wonder that younger and younger girls who have been raised on a steady diet of this have come to accept it as the norm? Is it any wonder that males raised on it would come to think of all females as prey and eye candy to be sought for sexual purposes only?

Consider those posing- all under 40- they have never known anything else! Normal – Females are sex objects – prey – males are predators and purveyors of sex!
BINGO!

]]> By: Mrs Peel http://miscellani.org/blog/2010/01/the-return-of-sexism-though-it-never-went-away/comment-page-1/#comment-34 Mrs Peel Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:12:12 +0000 http://www.miscellani.org/blog/?p=1211#comment-34 Misogyny prevails because it serves a dual role as both cause and effect. Women and girls in the "industry" have no real "choice" in one regard to be sure-- we feminists must count them amongst all of us being harmed. Misogyny prevails because it serves a dual role as both cause and effect. Women and girls in the “industry” have no real “choice” in one regard to be sure– we feminists must count them amongst all of us being harmed.

]]> By: Victoria F. Skyrise http://miscellani.org/blog/2010/01/the-return-of-sexism-though-it-never-went-away/comment-page-1/#comment-33 Victoria F. Skyrise Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:49:21 +0000 http://www.miscellani.org/blog/?p=1211#comment-33 <p>The two MSM articles by and about Natasha Walter seem aimed at promoting her book., with the bonus of undermining feminism. However, Kathryn, I may take some comfort in your own article here at the blog, where you brook no foolishness from either her or the Guardian and Daily Mail. </p> <p>I think you're getting much closer to the truth than she ever does when you ask, <i>“Or is it that sexuality through the prism of patriarchy will always result in this paradox?”</i></p> <p>I'll raise ya a couple of other questions:</p> <p><b>Is any sexuality whatsoever being expressed through pornography, much less the sexuality of those women being objectified?</b></p> <p>Since when is Objectification the same as Sexuality, or the so-called Sex Industry even truly synonymous with Sexual Expression? </p> <p>Now that their dirty "industry" has taken all the real honest-to-goodness fun silly warm inspiring Sex out of it, aren't they really just selling Womanhood, after all— turning women into nameless bodies to be manipulated and even enslaved?</p> <p>Pretending to be dolls on parade will get women <b>Nowhere.</b></p> The two MSM articles by and about Natasha Walter seem aimed at promoting her book., with the bonus of undermining feminism. However, Kathryn, I may take some comfort in your own article here at the blog, where you brook no foolishness from either her or the Guardian and Daily Mail.

I think you’re getting much closer to the truth than she ever does when you ask, “Or is it that sexuality through the prism of patriarchy will always result in this paradox?”

I’ll raise ya a couple of other questions:

Is any sexuality whatsoever being expressed through pornography, much less the sexuality of those women being objectified?

Since when is Objectification the same as Sexuality, or the so-called Sex Industry even truly synonymous with Sexual Expression?

Now that their dirty “industry” has taken all the real honest-to-goodness fun silly warm inspiring Sex out of it, aren’t they really just selling Womanhood, after all— turning women into nameless bodies to be manipulated and even enslaved?

Pretending to be dolls on parade will get women Nowhere.

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