British House of Commons votes for referendum
A Labour backed bill to hold a referendum on voting reform has passed the first stage on its way to becoming law.
MPs backed the referendum bill by 365 votes to 187 – a majority of 178. If it it becomes law then a UK-wide referendum will be held on October 31st 2011.
The referendum would be framed as:
Do British voters want to keep a “first past the post” voting system or change to the “alternative vote” system? (AV)
Definition of AV by the Electoral Reform Society
The same constituency boundaries are used and voters would elect one person to represent them in parliament, just as we do now. However, rather than marking an ‘X’ against their preferred candidate, each voter would rank their candidates in an order of preference, putting ’1′ next to their favourite, a ’2′ by their second choice and so on. If a candidate receives a majority of first place votes, he or she would be elected just as under the present system. However if no single candidate gets more than 50% of the vote, the second choices for the candidate at the bottom are redistributed. The process is repeated until one candidate gets an absolute majority. The alternative vote is not actually a proportional system, but a majoritarian system. It looks most similar to the current electoral system.
Whether the bill actually will pass into law before the election is
highly doubtful, as it seems likely that it will face opposition in the House of
Lords before then.
Call me sceptical, but the Labour Party also promised a referendum on
the European Union Constitution in its 2005 Election manifesto. That
it never materialised once Labour had secured victory is just one more
reminder that what politicians promise when they need your vote, and the reality of what they deliver, are often two completely different animals.
It seems to me that Gordon Brown knows that the writing is on the wall for
his Government. None of the opinion polls are predicting a Labour victory this
year. The best he can hope for is a hung parliament, with a Labour minority
government, which is why he is making overtures to the Liberal Democrats.
They, however are not impressed.
A “source” close to Nick Clegg described the proposals in the Telegraph.
“They are worthless and don’t go nearly far enough”
I tend to agree, and if you look at what might have happened to the 2005
election, via the New Statesman blog, there are real reasons to believe that
nothing much would have changed, at least not under the current proposals – but despite my reservations and scepticism, the fact that the vote even passed is a significant milestone.
Real Reform Now describes it optimistically:
“There was a tremor in the House of Commons
on Tuesday night that may yet be remembered as the start of a political earthquake. For the first time, a majority of MPs agreed that the voting system which gave them their seats is broken, and voted in favour of a referendum on the Alternative Vote. While AV is not a proportional system, change does create opportunities and may well begin to open things out enough for a new sort of politics to edge in.”
Perhaps, though I remain unconvinced.
The Electoral Reform Society welcomed the vote:
“Tonight’s vote marks the beginning of the end of First-Past-the-Post. A clear majority of parliamentarians have
shown they are willing to break with the past and build a better
politics.We wanted MPs to back the amendment on the Single Transferable Vote. The Alternative Vote will not go nearly as far to deliver a
representative parliament, an accountable government and responsive MPs.But we finally have movement to a better voting system.
The evening’s Hansard report will serve as a permanent record of the dividing lines between the old and new politics. Tories and Labour rebels will have the opportunity to explain their decision to voters at the coming election.”
Meanwhile David Hughes in the Telegraph calls vote reformers “hysterical and
nasty” (!) while perhaps unintentionally making the more pertinent point that the AV system being pushed by Brown would not be any fairer. On the contrary.
“… these campaigners know deep down that Gordon Brown’s conversion to the idea of a “fairer” voting system (and Colin Rallings and Michael Thrasher debunked the fairness argument in The Sunday Times last weekend) is paper thin and dictated only by his desire to save his political skin?”
Quite.
While something is better than nothing, I would prefer a full debate about all alternative methods of voting systems such as some form of proportional representation that would lead to a more representative democracy.
We need it! Our democracy needs it!
If there is any hope of saving democracy, it has to happen now, for if not now, then when?
Related Links. (external) See below the share button for more articles in this series. (and don’t forget to share!)
- Reformers welcome vote victory on AV (liberalconspiracy.org)
- Politicians behaving badly at AV debate | Jackie Ashley (guardian.co.uk)
- The 14 non-Lib Dem MPs who backed the Single Transferable Vote (libdemvoice.org)
- Gordon Brown outlines proposals to ditch first-past-the-post voting (telegraph.co.uk)
- Pickles’ selective citation on AV (leftfootforward.org)
- PM confirms plan to reform voting (guardian.co.uk)
- PM to launch election reform plan (news.bbc.co.uk)








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#1 by Dragonfly on February 18, 2010 - 11:24 am
I like the rating idea in this bill. Reforms to democratic processes interest me as an American wondering how to protect democracy – our Supreme Court’s ruling concerning campaign finance reform was a step in the wrong direction for us. Is the US now the United Corporate States – some say yes. Considering that the UK elects a party rather than a president, does money nonetheless drive elections in the UK? It clearly drives elections for the US and state governments at all levels. Funding determines the front runner before formal announcements of candidacy. There is no incentive for reform in the US because the status quo is served by those who have the means to change it. It is embarrassing that our elected officials do not even read our bills before voting on them (with some exceptions) – naturally, paid lobbyists for special interests write all of our bills. Do you avoid such problems in the UK, and if so, how?
#2 by Kathryn Cann on February 18, 2010 - 7:49 pm
Good question, Dragonfly, and welcome.
I wouldn’t say money drives elections in the UK to the same extent as in the US, but there are certainly elements of that kind of influence from lobbyists. I think the answer to this question deserves a whole post of its own though, and I will address it soon.
#3 by stephen johnson on February 28, 2010 - 8:14 am
Dear Kathryn,
Can I draw your attention to a system of voting which would deliver PR, has the simplicity of FPTP, maintains the single member constituency, would make it much easier for Independent Candidates to get elected and doesn’t require a huge change from the existing voting system?
Direct Party and Representative Voting
Despite the recent vote in the House of Commons and consequential public debate, the chances of a move to Proportional Representation for Westminster elections are remote.
Those in favour of PR cannot build a coalition. The different forms of PR vary in their ability to deliver PR, are often complex and difficult to understand, and may not be compatible with the single member constituency.
An underlying problem with the existing system is that the voter is faced with the potential dilemma of voting for the party or for the candidate. This works very heavily against independent candidates. These voting issues should be separated as follows.
To meet the demand for political renewal, we need
1 One vote for a party to form the government.
2 One vote for the Constituency MP. This could be by the FPTP system.
and all on one ballot paper – that is the only change we need in the public voting system.
A further change would be needed in Parliament where one MP one vote is ditched, and a fractional voting system introduced. The elected Government’s strength in Parliament would be determined by the first vote. In parliament each MP would exercise a fractional vote. If a party got 40% support in the ‘Government’ vote but 50% of the MPs, each of their MPs would have a vote value 0.8 Independents would have a vote value of one.
Non government bills (Free Votes) could be determined by one vote per MP.
Swipe card voting should make it foolproof and simple.
The Government would then have very precise proportional support, not in MPs but in votes. Why should it have more or less?
This system, Direct Party and Representative Voting (DPR), would have the key advantages of a PR system and single member constituencies.
This system would not satisfy the ‘Strong Government’ lobby – those who want the system to throw up a big majority for the ‘winning’ party regardless of their actual democratic support. But at least the battle lines and arguments would be simplified.
Not only would this system lead to more independent MPs, it would give all MPs a measure of independence since they will have been elected as individuals rather than just party representatives.
DPR is a voting system that delivers PR, has the simplicity of FPTP, maintains the single member constituency, would make it much easier for Independent Candidates to get elected and doesn’t require a huge change from the existing voting system. It’s easy to understand, simple to implement, has no serious disadvantages.
It would make an enormous contribution to the radical reforms we need to our political system
#4 by Kathryn Cann on March 2, 2010 - 8:52 pm
hi Stephen and welcome.
I like the sound of DPR. Can you provide some examples of democracies where it is already used?
Or is that wishful thinking, that such representative democracy can already exist?
Links would be especially great.
Thanks,
Kathryn
#5 by stephen johnson on March 3, 2010 - 9:52 am
Hi Kathryn
As far as I know DPR has not yet been adopted anywhere. Also as far as I know, it is very new. DPR calls for the use of swipe card voting in the chamber to simplify the process of counting and recording the votes, and parliaments tend to be a bit conservative in their procedures. But judge it on what it delivers.
DPR does make every vote count. (If you know your vote isn’t going to make any difference, and this is true for millions of Britons, it is not surprising that many don’t bother.) Also it allows you to vote both for your preferred party of Government and your preferred local representative within a single member constituency – very few other systems can claim this.
It also has the advantage of being very simple for the voter, for the administrators, and for all of us to understand the results.
It avoids party lists and multimember constituencies, which are not necessary.
DPR results in the parties with voting strength in the House of Commons that matches their overall support in the country. Not everyone is in favour of this but if you accept democracy, how can you defend a system that gives a party either more or less voting strength than the votes cast for it?
Stephen
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